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Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

Oh so im not an important part of this thread? Hmmm just because i dont post 4 pages of material makes what i have to say irrelevant.

No, you are understandable because you don't post 4 pages of material!

I wanted our two specialists to compress their "books" in this thread to a couple of lines, so even those who are not that good at English can catch up with them (and you).

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Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

Oh so im not an important part of this thread? Hmmm just because i dont post 4 pages of material makes what i have to say irrelevant.

No, you are understandable because you don't post 4 pages of material!

I wanted our two specialists to compress their "books" in this thread to a couple of lines, so even those who are not that good at English can catch up with them (and you).

What exactly makes them specialists? Jake's drunken relatives, or the fact they post the entire civil rights bill?

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The fact they were writing loads and loads and loads. Hence 'specialists' not specialists.
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He's not saying Jake and Czech's posts are better than yours, he's just saying they're longer and more dificult. Hence his request for a summary.

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The_Mustard_Man hat folgendes geschrieben:

He's not saying Jake and Czech's posts are better than yours, he's just saying they're longer and more dificult. Hence his request for a summary.

I'm not saying that. Im saying he said "our two specialists", When most of the posts are pictues of 1950's 60's and 70's a (and one 1993 picture) of racism, tales of relatives, and posting of documents of law. Most of it irrelevant to the Civil War.

[Edited by Rac00n at 02.Sep.2005 and 16:40]

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Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

I'm not saying that. Im saying he said "our two specialists", When most of the posts are pictues of 1950's 60's and 70's a (and one 1993 picture) of racism, tales of relatives, and posting of documents of law. Most of it irrelevant to the Civil War.

Parabellum hat folgendes geschrieben:

When this thread began, it was about the question of legality of the US entry into the Great War. Then the focus changed to the Civil War of 1861-65. And now we have reached the topic of racism in the USA with JakeSayin focussing on the post-war situation and Mad Czech on the pre-war situation and the posts becoming longer and longer...

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The_Mustard_Man hat folgendes geschrieben:

Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

I'm not saying that. Im saying he said "our two specialists", When most of the posts are pictues of 1950's 60's and 70's a (and one 1993 picture) of racism, tales of relatives, and posting of documents of law. Most of it irrelevant to the Civil War.

Parabellum hat folgendes geschrieben:

When this thread began, it was about the question of legality of the US entry into the Great War. Then the focus changed to the Civil War of 1861-65. And now we have reached the topic of racism in the USA with JakeSayin focussing on the post-war situation and Mad Czech on the pre-war situation and the posts becoming longer and longer...

That just proves my point even more so.

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Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

That just proves my point even more so.

Lol! That's nice Racc00n, but FL18's will is still law.

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The_Mustard_Man hat folgendes geschrieben:

Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

That just proves my point even more so.

Lol! That's nice Racc00n, but FL18's will is still law.

If youll notice i still have a badge. The moderator's will is law.

I just dont think that someone who claimed, "Most of the southerners were worried about losing their slaves" could admit that 80 percent of the soldiers didnt have slaves cause they were too poor. Well those 80 percent sure weren't worried about losing those slaves they didn't have, so there must be some other reason for the civil war

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Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

If youll notice i still have a badge. The moderator's will is law.

I just dont think that someone who claimed, "Most of the southerners were worried about losing their slaves" could admit that 80 percent of the soldiers didnt have slaves cause they were too poor. Well those 80 percent sure weren't worried about losing those slaves they didn't have, so there must be some other reason for the civil war

Sir yes sir, mister very-high-ranking-member-surpassing-even-the-legendary-Parabellum-himself.

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Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

If youll notice i still have a badge. The moderator's will is law.

I just dont think that someone who claimed, "Most of the southerners were worried about losing their slaves" could admit that 80 percent of the soldiers didnt have slaves cause they were too poor. Well those 80 percent sure weren't worried about losing those slaves they didn't have, so there must be some other reason for the civil war

Sir yes sir, mister very-high-ranking-member-surpassing-even-the-legendary-Parabellum-himself.

Again, you have misunderstood me, if it were fl18's will, it wouldnt be parabellum it would be gamma, but it is parabellum and he is a moderator. I never said i was better than parabellum.

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The_Mustard_Man hat folgendes geschrieben:

I don't wish to start an arguement, JR, but what do you think is " a mentallity that doesn't resolve problems", moaning and bitching about how evil those "morrocans" are or admitting the European social security system is full of easily exploitable loopholes?

Every system has its exploitable holes...
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SgtH3nry3 hat folgendes geschrieben:

Every system has its exploitable holes...

Sssh!

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Again, you have misunderstood me, if it were fl18's will, it wouldnt be parabellum it would be gamma, but it is parabellum and he is a moderator. I never said i was better than parabellum.

You're just being cranky because Parabellum didn't want you to write a summary on everything you said. I don't really see your point, but if you'd like to keep on arguing - or whatever it is you'll do - with parabellum, that's fine by me. Personally I don't see why your posts should be summarized - they were easy enough to comprehend as they were! You should feel flattered. So... I just think Para wanted the discussion to continue after Jake had posted his compressed version of his posts, eh.

[Edited by The_Mustard_Man at 02.Sep.2005 and 23:03]

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Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

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Rac00n hat folgendes geschrieben:

That just proves my point even more so.

Lol! That's nice Racc00n, but FL18's will is still law.

If youll notice i still have a badge. The moderator's will is law.

I just dont think that someone who claimed, "Most of the southerners were worried about losing their slaves" could admit that 80 percent of the soldiers didnt have slaves cause they were too poor. Well those 80 percent sure weren't worried about losing those slaves they didn't have, so there must be some other reason for the civil war

You bring up a very good point, and this is where the State's Rights thing came from in the first place. How do rich slave owners convince poor people who can't afford slaves to fight for them? Well, anyone who has the slightest taste of history knows that this through propaganda. They tell people that the Northerners are "violating their states rights to do things like have slaves and regulate our own tarriffs" (just for those of you who don't know what tarriffs are, they are taxes on trade. This can be hurtful to an economy if they are too big, and the south didn't want them because it had to ship it's cotton, which was picked by slaves, and pay tarriffs to do it. Though this was a factor, I do not see it as the major factor. I see slavery as this, since their South's trade economy would not have even be big enough for them to worry about tarriffs if they hadn't had them. They would probably have taken the path of the North, which was industrialization.). In the end, like the Union soldier whom many of didn't care about slaves, most Southern slaves didn't care about slaves, they cared about the North "violating their state's rights." Like in all wars before and after, the rich men cared about the issues (slavery) and then used other things to get the poor men to fight the war for them (state's rights). This happened in WWI for sure, with nation competition being turned into "the dirty hun raping Belgian women in the streets" and so forth.

[Edited by JakeSayin at 03.Sep.2005 and 02:42]
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That just proves my point even more so.

Lol! That's nice Racc00n, but FL18's will is still law.

If youll notice i still have a badge. The moderator's will is law.

I just dont think that someone who claimed, "Most of the southerners were worried about losing their slaves" could admit that 80 percent of the soldiers didnt have slaves cause they were too poor. Well those 80 percent sure weren't worried about losing those slaves they didn't have, so there must be some other reason for the civil war

You bring up a very good point, and this is where the State's Rights thing came from in the first place. How do rich slave owners convince poor people who can't afford slaves to fight for them? Well, anyone who has the slightest taste of history knows that this through propaganda. They tell people that the Northerners are "violating their states rights to do things like have slaves and regulate our own tarriffs" (just for those of you who don't know what tarriffs are, they are taxes on trade. This can be hurtful to an economy if they are too big, and the south didn't want them because it had to ship it's cotton, which was picked by slaves, and pay tarriffs to do it. Though this was a factor, I do not see it as the major factor. I see slavery as this, since their South's trade economy would not have even be big enough for them to worry about tarriffs if they hadn't had them. They would probably have taken the path of the North, which was industrialization.). In the end, like the Union soldier whom many of didn't care about slaves, most Southern slaves didn't care about slaves, they cared about the North "violating their state's rights." Like in all wars before and after, the rich men cared about the issues (slavery) and then used other things to get the poor men to fight the war for them (state's rights). This happened in WWI for sure, with nation competition being turned into "the dirty hun raping Belgian women in the streets" and so forth.

[Edited by JakeSayin at 03.Sep.2005 and 02:42]

Yes unfortunatly that is true, but one general was not fighting for slaves, Robert E. Lee. And yes you could blame the war on slavery but not on racism.

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Jackson wasn't fighting for slavery either.

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Well, I'll give you Lee, since I have seen quotes of his before. But, I am not so sure about Jackson. Just because he is famous doesn't mean he wasn't for slavery. And I am not blaming the war on racism. I am saying that racism came as a result of slavery. It goes back to the rich and poor thing again. How do the rich convince the poor that it's ok to have slaves, even when the poor have no way of posessing any? They deserve it because they are sub-human.
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