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I found something at ebay - it is claimed that this is a genuine Belgian steel helmet from WWI. So far, no one wanted to bid for it, but since we have a few Belgium enthusiasts here, it might be worth a look. By the way, our experts could take a look at it and confirm if it is genuine after all - Trenchnut, Chiel, the rest, to work!
Look here to see for yourselves...
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Sorry, but this a British 'Brodie' helmet as introduced in the Belgian Army in the late 1940s. Before that, i.e. in both World Wars, the Belgian Army exclusively used the French 'Adrian' type.
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- Greg Pickersgill's Helmet Collection
- The Belgian Khaki Uniform 1915-1918
- Cascos del Siglo XX
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Yes, that does look rather like a re-painted tin hat to me.
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sad when that happens....i hate it when people try to con you into thinking you have payed for something 80 years old when in fact it was only 60 years old and not as expensive..i can buy a Mk.2 Tin hat for around 30 pounds...a real one. How much is that up for?
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Look at when that was posted. Ebay runs out and it is bidding too. You've asked a question that the answer would not be helpful.
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Final price: 6,50 Euro
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Seems they saw through it then.
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I have bought the same type helmet now at the sunday market in Brussels also a Belgian Steel Helmet, I hope it is real altough I don't think that 10 euro is such a waste for an item I liked in the first place.
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ten euro is better then a few hundred euro
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Indeed , but my big dream is to have a Belgian Adrian helmet like on my banner but sadly those helmets are about the most expensive helmets you have.
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| Parabellum hat folgendes geschrieben: | Sorry, but this a British 'Brodie' helmet as introduced in the Belgian Army in the late 1940s. Before that, i.e. in both World Wars, the Belgian Army exclusively used the French 'Adrian' type.
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Well master parabellum , for once i have to dissagree with you or at least with a part of it. The MkII was used in the second world war. If you seek at information about the Belgian Army during the second world war you'll find this site : http://www.belgianbadges4046.be/BE_UK1.htm
As you can see on this pic you can see Belgian soldiers with the MkII , this isn't late 40's it is 1942. It shows Belgian soldier training in the UK.
The Belgian Army DID use the Belgian Adrian Helmet in the second world war but that was at the first 18 days after Leopold gave up fighting when French and British troops were evacuated at Duinkerke , the army was disbanded , the gouverment went to the UK. In the UK the goverment started to gather back the army a bit. A new start means a new uniform. It was then that the MkII helmet was introduced.
If we must think about how many of these helmets have seen the battlefields of world war 2, we realise that it aren't much. As much as I know some motorcycled forces were used at the invasion and sadly enough we didn't reconquer Brussels because too less benzin.
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I think there was one Belgian division in the landing at Normandy (under British command though  ), I'm quite sure they had these helmets too. Dunno if it was a division, could be less.
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| Bratskos Di Mola hat folgendes geschrieben: | | If we must think about how many of these helmets have seen the battlefields of world war 2, we realise that it aren't much. As much as I know some motorcycled forces were used at the invasion and sadly enough we didn't reconquer Brussels because too less benzin. |
I believe I recall seeing a documentary where some Belgian veterans told us about how they reconquered several villages around Antwerp and the Dutch border. They were part of a motorized force, consisting of re-recruited Belgians who fled the country and Brittish and Canadian soldiers. It was mostly the Commonwealth and America who reclaimed the country.
Then ofcourse Ardennes... whe the famous easy Company fought and where it was liberated by Patton's tank force. In the book, I've read the mobilization which occurred in December '45, is still the largest and fastest mobilization in military history. Even the Gulf war couldn't stand up to it.
When the weather eventually cleared, the Germans paid they price. The campaign came close to achieving its goal, then failed short of the Meuse River, resulting in a large bulge into Belgium. The failure was due partly to panzers being issued insufficient gasoline, German self-delusions of the adequacy of their supplies, the spectacular defence of Bastogne and finally Patton's counterattack.
*starts playing Call of Duty United Offensive again*
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About how much is thirty quid? I have no idea how much a euro is either. I managed to purchase one for 30 USD with a few nicks and scratches. It's a bit stinky but I guess soldiers would have been used to it.
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here's some pictures
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I have a model a bit later , with a leather cross as inside.
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I suppose the soldier with a Khaki Uniform on that picture came from Belgium:
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What would earlier model helmet liners look like then? I've seen Civil Defense helmets from the sixties which use a cross weave type of liner and the leather cross type like I have.
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| Badger[Fr] hat folgendes geschrieben: | I suppose the soldier with a Khaki Uniform on that picture came from Belgium:
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As far as I can see , it is a Belgian soldier. If I could see the details, like the lion-adrianhelmet, buttons and red parts below the head, I would know 200% sure.
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| The_Mustard_Man hat folgendes geschrieben: | | Bratskos Di Mola hat folgendes geschrieben: | | If we must think about how many of these helmets have seen the battlefields of world war 2, we realise that it aren't much. As much as I know some motorcycled forces were used at the invasion and sadly enough we didn't reconquer Brussels because too less benzin. |
I believe I recall seeing a documentary where some Belgian veterans told us about how they reconquered several villages around Antwerp and the Dutch border. They were part of a motorized force, consisting of re-recruited Belgians who fled the country and Brittish and Canadian soldiers. It was mostly the Commonwealth and America who reclaimed the country.
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To support what you said , you could take a look at this site , http://www.belgianbadges4046.be/ , there's next to the Resistance information also a huge amount information about the army in 1940 and the army in 1944 , wich was indeed trained in Britain, and filled by fleeing Belgians.
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I've found information about the pic above :
The soldier in the khaki uniform appears to be a soldier of an indigenous regiment (such as the Legion Etranger, the French Foreign Legion), that was used for foreign service but re-called to defend the homeland. The others, in horizon blue, are poilu's, common soldiers. The one in the back, in the dark blue, is an artillery officer.
I still consider it as stranges because I can't remember foreign french soldiers like that and he doesn't look foreign to me. He does have a typically mustache etc.
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That's weird. The only french soldiers wearing a khaki uniform during the WW1 were Turcos (Algerian soldiers) and the Legion, but they didn't used Adrian helmets, as far as i can remember.
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I doubt if that source is correct. Plus I also think that there's more chance that Belgians and French , like happened at Steenstraate when the Germans overrun the French lines , the french troops fleed to the stronger Belgian lines and fought under Belgian command during the battle , got mixed up then ethnic French troops and foreign troops. Off course this can not be known sure there are always exceptions. Is there a historician who can give a final answer ?
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It's definetly not a legionnair, look at the uniforms on this pic: http://www.grantsmilitaria.com/gall...x/images/90.gif . This soldier is wearing the M-1915 double breasted greatcoat.
Plus, I have serious doubts it is a Belgian soldier - I'm missing crucial parts on the uniform to say it's a Belgian one: http://img513.imageshack.us/my.php?...pict00530ck.jpg ... I'll try to find more information.
Update: and unless their uniform has changed once more after the war I don't think it are Turcos either http://home.nordnet.fr/~jcpillon/pi...ail/photo16.JPG
Update 2: It comes quite close to a Tirraileur Sénégalais, but I think the colour of his skin isn't compatible with it  http://tdm.vo.qc.ca/images/unif7.gif
[Edited by Col. Fokkhof at 29.Jan.2006 and 19:58]
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Scheüne foto's dude's
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| Badger[Fr] hat folgendes geschrieben: | I suppose the soldier with a Khaki Uniform on that picture came from Belgium:
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really nice picture dudes
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