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did Canadians use both of these Rifles in the first world war?
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Yes they did. The Ross Rifle proved highly unreliable and could kill the user. So after a while Canadians were reissued with SMLEs.
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| Meadow hat folgendes geschrieben: | | Yes they did. The Ross Rifle proved highly unreliable and could kill the user. |
Sounds more like a musket to me.
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| The_Mustard_Man hat folgendes geschrieben: | | Meadow hat folgendes geschrieben: | | Yes they did. The Ross Rifle proved highly unreliable and could kill the user. |
Sounds more like a musket to me. |
lol yes indeed... it quite does, doesn't it? 
Is there any chance we can see the Ross in BF1918(/2)?
Maybe as pick-up kit? The Ross was extremely accurate because of its size and barrel length...
Plus the bullet went even quicker because of that same long barrel...
It even out-performed the Lee-Enfield Mk.I which had an even longer barrel. Don't ask me how.
[Edited by SgtH3nry3 at 09.Oct.2005 and 20:19]
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I'll take a slightly less accurate rifle which doesn't EXPLODE IN MY FACE AND IMBED HOT SHRAPNEL INTO MY SOFT PRECIOUS FLESH any day of the week, thanks.
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| Meadow hat folgendes geschrieben: | | I'll take a slightly less accurate rifle which doesn't EXPLODE IN MY FACE AND IMBED HOT SHRAPNEL INTO MY SOFT PRECIOUS FLESH any day of the week, thanks. |
What? You don't like getting shrapnel imbedded in your face?
[Edited by Rac00n at 10.Oct.2005 and 00:21]
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THANKS!!
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The origins of the Ross rifle lie in the late-1890s patents of the noble Canadian Sir Charles Ross, who developed his own pattern of the straight pull rifles, broadly based on Austrian Mannlicher M1890 / 1895 system. British and Canadian forces tested Ross rifles circa 1900-1901, but these rifles, while being quite fast in action, completely failed the reliability tests. The only fact that Britain refused to supply Canada with enough Lee-Enfield rifles during the second Boer war resulted in adoption of the .303 caliber Ross Mark I rifle in 1902. First rifles were delivered to Canadian military and Royal Canadian Mounted Police in 1905. These rifles were manufactured at the Ross Rifle Co, in Quebec. In 1907, Ross introduced a slightly improved Mark II rifle. Between 1907 and 1912, Ross turned out several star-marked modifications of the basic mark II pattern, which differed in barrel lengths, safety arrangements and other such minor modifications. In the summer of 1911 Canadian army introduced the Mark III Ross rifle, also known as Model 1910. This rifle was the principal arm of the Canadian corps in Europe during the First World war, and it turned out as a complete failure. Despite the modified magazine which could be loaded from stripper clips, the Ross Mark III rifle was too sensitive for dirt and fouling, it lacked proper initial extraction to handle dirty ammunition. The overly complicated bolt system of all Marks of the rifle did not helped the proper maintenance n the field, which also compromised reliability. The worst thing about the Ross system, however, was that its bolt could be eventually assembled in the wrong order, and in this case rifle could be assembled and then fired with the bolt not locked to the receiver - with disastrous results to both shooter and rifle. On the other hand, most Ross rifles were inherently accurate and served well as a sporter and even match rifles. After the end of First World War, most military Ross rifles were replaced in Canadian service with famous SMLE Mark III rifles of British origins, but made in Canad
Quoted from Modern Firearms & Ammunition - just to add the reasons why it was considered to be so unreliable...
[Editiert von Parabellum am 10.Oct.2005 um 10:24]
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I'm surprised the ross rifle survived into the early years of WWII. Even when it was known to explode and foul up.
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