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:: Big Bertha ::

Big Bertha

Official Name: M 42
Nickname: Big Bertha, Dicke Bertha, Große Bertha, Fleißige Bertha
Calibre: 420mm (16,5 inch)
Max Range: 12,5km (M-Gerät) or 15km (Gamma-Gerät)
Total Weight: 42,6 tonnes (M-Gerät) or 140 tonnes (Gamma-Gerät)
Shell Weight: ranging from 810 to 930 and 1160 kilograms
Muzzle Velocity: around 450m/sec
 

The name "Dicke Bertha", or "Big Bertha", derives from Bertha Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach, the granddaughter of Krupp's founder Alfred Krupp. Big Bertha wasn't so much an artillery piece meant for long ranges, and she wasn't the biggest calibre gun of the first world war either, contrary to popular believe. On the other hand, she is about the most well known artillery piece of the entire war, and arguably the most well known artillery piece ever created. She is however many times confused with the famous Paris Gun.

Bertha sounded in a new era of modern warfare. Unlike normal artillery of that time which fired low and far, she took a somewhat different approach on the matter. Her official name was M 42, with the M for Mörser, German for mortar. Instead of firing low and far, Bertha flung her shells high up into the air, aiming almost straight up. These shells would then come crashing straight down on their target, inflicting an up until then unseen amount of damage. This made her the ideal weapon to tackle the, thought to be invincible, fortifications of Liége, Antwerp, Namur, Verdun and other strongholds in the way of the German advance. In fact, the M 42 Mörser was specifically designed for this sole purpose, to be able to reduce these mighty fortresses to rubble.

 
 

On the 12th of August 1914, two M 42 pieces commenced their siege on the Forts of Liége, in the East of Belgium. Liége was a city surrounded by a ring of 12 forts, and was at the time thought to be the best defended city in all of Europe. The forts themselves, held by the Belgians until the very last man, were built in the 1880's, and were for the time still quite modern. But apparently, they weren't quite modern enough. The very first shot fired was aimed to short, and landed in the fields in front of fort Pontisse. The tremendous bang made windows shatter and roofs collapse in a 1 kilometer radius around the scene. The following shell impact caused a small earthquake which could be felt miles away. Moments later, a second shot was fired, this time hitting it's target dead on. Pounding through over 3m (10ft) of armed concrete, the shell exploded in the midst of the fort, sending dirt and debris everywhere, killing many and filling the halls and rooms of the fort with poisonous fumes and gasses. The results were disastrous. In a mere 5 days, all 12 forts surrounding the city of Liége were reduced to rubble, the Belgians forced to retreat to Antwerp. At one point, a shell fired by Big Bertha crashed down into the powder magazine of Fort Loncin, instantly killing 350 men. This same fate awaited one of the forts of Antwerp, during the siege of Antwerp and it's 48 outdated forts.

 
 

There were in fact two different types of Big Bertha. There was the field mounted version, or M-Gerät, weighing in at 42,6 tonnes, and then there was the railway mounted version, or Gamma-Gerät, which weighed no less than 140 tonnes. Both versions were of the same callibre, 420mm, but each had different statistics. The railway mounted version for example had a greater elevation for more range than the field mounted version, but on the other hand, required loads of more work to transport and assemble. The field mounted version was also able to fire more different types of ammunition, ranging from 810 to 930 and 1160 kilograms. These shells were so massive, that only 4 of them could be carried on a tracked vehicle at any time, for safety reasons. Construction and placement posed quite a problem with both versions, but especially with the Gamma-Gerät version. Construction and transportation for this gun took about 1000 workers. The gun was transported by train, and required double traintracks to reach it's destination. Once there, a big railway mounted crane was used to hoist the different pieces together. The much lighter M-Gerät version was also transported by train, but from there it was pulled into position by horsepower and put together at the scene. The Big Bertha version used at the battle of Liége, Antwerp and Namur was the M-Gerät version. The Gamma-Gerät version saw action at other battles such as Verdun. However, unlike with the forts of Liége and Antwerp, the Big Berthas proved to be far less effective at taking down the much stronger forts of Verdun, and after Verdun was called off as a failure, the Big Berthas were withdrawn for the rest of the war.

 
 

At the start of the war, only 4 Gamma-Geräts and 2 M-Geräts were ready. The total number of Berthas built was 10 mortars plus 8 spare guns. After the war, the Big Berthas were scuttled so they wouldn't fall into enemy hands. All that's left of them today are a few leftover shells, one of which can be viewed in the Iron Tower museum in Diksmuide. The name Big Bertha however shall live on, as will the remembrance of this awe inspiring weapon of war. Ever since Big Bertha showed her ugly face, the ways of warfare changed forever. Bertha sounded in the arrival of modern weapons on the battlefields of WW1, a development which lead directly to the modern weapons in use today with armies across the globe.


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Kaiserjäger Goldi
26.05.2005 um 17:45 QuoteProfileSend PM


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Tallyman22 hat folgendes geschrieben:
Marriage is 18, under with parents permission but that depends on the state. Owning a gun is 18 for rifle/shotgun, 21 for handgun again depends on state. Driving is 16. On joining the army age 17 can go to boot camp which some do the summer before their last year in school. I think 18 is when you officially can join but I'm not for sure.


amerika is creazy!!!!
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Smyrnov
26.05.2005 um 18:54 QuoteProfileSend PM

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Chop-chop!
Yes it all sounds a bit crazy to me. Maybe they don’t want to end up as Russia? Anyway alcohol is good! Not vodka and the like but wine and beer.
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Meadow
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Sex and Marriage is 16 over here, Monkey old chum.

Good god, von Mudra, look at how spammy your single inflammatory comment has made this thread!
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Yes, and?
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Kaiserjäger Goldi
26.05.2005 um 20:23 QuoteProfileSend PM


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means I should come to england more often *gg*

[Editiert von Kaiserjäger Goldi666666 am 26.May.2005 um 20:24]
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MultipleMonkeyMan
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Hehe. I do think it's odd that at the age of 16 we can buy cigarettes, get married, have sex and join the army, but not buy alcohol. Still, when I'm King...
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Kaiserjäger Goldi
26.05.2005 um 20:33 QuoteProfileSend PM


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if i'd be king
alcohol and cigarettes would be prohibited
and marrige age would be highed to 20.

so god save the queen
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X_VanTagE_X
26.05.2005 um 20:43 QuoteProfileSend PM

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Grawrghllllllll
Yet another indication just how good life in Belgium is.

Sex, smoking and alcohol is allowed from the age of 16. Smoking used to have no limit, but was limited to 16 just this year. Driving and legal issues are generally 18, but this can differentiate. Marriage for example can be eranged from age of 16, with the legal support of the parrents in some fields. You can also start to take theoretical drivers lessons from age of 16, but you aren't allowed to actually drive a car until 17 and 9 or so months, under supervision. And to top things off, marihuana useage is 'allowed', or better said, 'not procecuted', just as long as it's in private and for personal use only, and not more than a certain amount of gramms. In practice, this means you are allowed to walk around on the street with said amount of gramms with you, just as long as they don't 'see' you using it. You can azlso have a said amount of plants in your private possesion to grow your own marihuana, just as long as you aren't dealing it.

Great country to live in indeed
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Meadow
26.05.2005 um 21:15 QuoteProfileSend PM


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MultipleMonkeyMan hat folgendes geschrieben:
Yes, and?


You said 18, old man.
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MultipleMonkeyMan
26.05.2005 um 23:13 QuoteProfileSend PM

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I hat folgendes geschrieben:
Buying age is 21 now? Dear Lord. Out of interest, what's the age for marriage/owning a gun/joining the army/driving?

Over this side of the pond it's technicaly 18, but it's never been the most strictly observed of rules...


Nope, I was refering to drinking. Unless, of course, you thought I said all of the above were 18

Still, I reserve my right to shoot Welshmen with a crosbow from inside York city walls after sundown. Indeed, I shall protect this right with my very life!

[Editiert von MultipleMonkeyMan am 26.May.2005 um 23:16]
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@Vantage: You forgot a further advantage of life in Belgium: it's never a far way to Germany...
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Smyrnov
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Chop-chop!
Nothing remains forever and so is Belgium or any other nation for this matter. Sorry to disappoint you. Maybe marijuana and the like should be legal because it seems to be worse when it’s not. I personally don’t smoke this or any other crap but it may be the key for global peace and prosperity though some researches claim it damages the brain in long term usage.
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Von Mudra
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Yep. I am 17, so I can drive, could join the army, though I never want too, and can marry in some states. Yet, can't drink. <shakes head>
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Jagdpanther hat folgendes geschrieben:
@Vantage: You forgot a further advantage of life in Belgium: it's never a far way to Germany...


And it's traffic system. I mean, come on, it's pure genious!
 
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Smirnoff hat folgendes geschrieben:
Nothing remains forever and so is Belgium or any other nation for this matter. Sorry to disappoint you. Maybe marijuana and the like should be legal because it seems to be worse when it’s not. I personally don’t smoke this or any other crap but it may be the key for global peace and prosperity though some researches claim it damages the brain in long term usage.

And alcohol doesn't?

And do you mean Belgiums or Germanies traffic system Mustard? Germanies is indeed top notch, driven there myself a few times and I certainly enjoyed driving there. As for Belgium however, well, it would be more convenient to just place "roadworks" blockades at every single entrance into the country, would save out on blockades...
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Kaiserjäger Goldi666666 hat folgendes geschrieben:
if i'd be king
alcohol and cigarettes would be prohibited
and marrige age would be highed to 20.

so god save the queen


lol roosevelt try but unfortunately, it is the contrary which has appeared ( Al capones and mafia developped quickly thanks to the prohibition)

personnaly my first headacke was at 14 years after a partenerschaft with a german town, in the north of ger they seem to prefer schnaps rather beer ...
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[quote="X_VanTagE_X]As for Belgium however, well, it would be more convenient to just place "roadworks" blockades at every single entrance into the country, would save out on blockades... [/quote]

Waar men gaat langs Vlaamse wegen, komt men wegomleggingen tegen.

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The_Mustard_Man
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X_VanTagE_X hat folgendes geschrieben:
And do you mean Belgiums or Germanies traffic system Mustard?


Germany's system ofcourse. I've heard about it from my uncle who served under the Belgian army in West-Germany, and kept living there after the fall of the wall. I guess he didn't want to come back because of all the roadwork signs. And I also guess most european countries are affraid to use it because they know most drivers simply lack the mentality. Have you noticed how many people drive without wearing a seatbelt in Belgium?
 
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Sure... where else can you go 250 km/h with your car and still do nothing illegal? And I think that the fact that there are no general speedlimits on German motorways is the one reason that there are still sports cars or cars with really strong engines around. For if there was, say, a 130 km/h speed limit in place everywhere in the world, there would be absolutely no point to build cars that go faster than this, else people would be tempted to break the law. So be thankful that there is ONE place in the world where all these cars can do as nature intends them to do - drive fast!
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Even if there was a world-wide 80mph limit, is still think manufacturers would make cars that can go faster. For track purposes, of course
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Speed limits on highways are for the Germans what a restricive weapon law would be for the US something unthinkable!
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MultipleMonkeyMan
27.05.2005 um 20:46 QuoteProfileSend PM

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Ah, to live in a country with logical and grown-up road laws...
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for me you all are creazy
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...but not that crazy. When there's rain, ice, snow, or any kind of danger on the road, the speed limit on German freeways automatically drops, as indicated by the electronic signs along the road. If one were to put those signs in Belgium, every one would just continue driving at top-speed without a seatbelt on, and when thy get an accident or a police makes them stop, they'll just think of some petty excuse like the little weasels they are. Notice how few accidents happen in germany compared to Belgium, while there is actually no general speed limit. I could make a witty remark at the US here, so I won't.
 
Kaiserjäger Goldi
28.05.2005 um 09:18 QuoteProfileSend PM


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my car isn't going higher than 155km/h so i don't have any problem *s*
in austria ther is a general limit at 130 km/h and we have a strikt
wapon law
WE ARE A PARDISE
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Jagdpanther hat folgendes geschrieben:
Oh, nothing against Belgium, for sure - I like Brussels very much, as I like Belgian beer and gaufres and other things, particularily little mad curiosities like the Palais de la Justice (biggest building of the 19th century) and the Basilique Nationale (huge cathedral completed in the 1970ies and build out of industrial materials). But Belgium is not a nation, but a conglomerate of peoples. Nothing to feel bad about, of course not - there are other countries which do far worse. And the slight chaos triggered by three nationalities in one country has its advantages, for example, Belgium has developed a unique culture. I only say comics and bande dessinés... what would modern Europe be without people like Hergé or Franquin?


Shit, you want fucked up countries, look at America! On the West Coast we have crazy Jewish and Gay Liberals, and Adolf, oops, I mean Arnold. In the South West we have Conservative Cowboys, Native Americans, and Mexican-Americans. In the North West we have Farmers. In the Mid-West we have German Factory workers. In the South we have assholes. In Florida we have assholes AND Old-Jews and Cubans. In the Mid-East (Pennsylvannia, New York, etc.) we have just about everything thing from Europe mixed into one big beer, with notable Irish, Italian, and Jewish flavors. And in the Northeast, we have crazy Greek and Irish liberals and Olympia Snowe. And people wonder how we elected this guy:





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Evil Monkey!!!!
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Just for the record, that is a joke. Don't take it seriously, the last time that happened I got banned from FH forums. And by the way, I would have just edited this in, but there is some glitch where if I to edit stuff it just erases everything.
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You are, of course, right - America is not a nation, but a conglomerate. This is probably the reason nationalism is so strong, there is no other binding element between the blocks of the conglomerate and if it were left out, the conglomerate might be reduced to rubble. Still, we here in Germany tend to look down on nationalism, as we had first-hand experience what it can lead to when in the wrong hands, and we sometimes despise the naivite with which some Americans worship their country. But I guess this cannot be helped...
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Jagdpanther hat folgendes geschrieben:
America is not a nation, ...


seems familiar to me :p
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